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Mormonism

 

Fuller President Apologizes to Mormons in Error

 


James White

     One of the key developments of late that has caused many to question the validity of at least some of the evangelicals who spoke in the LDS Tabernacle in Salt Lake City has to do with the fact that some, such as Richard Mouw of Fuller Seminary, have chosen, whether out of ignorance or hubris, to attack all of those who have ministered in proclaiming the gospel to Mormons for years and indeed decades.  His comments in the Tabernacle were not only an implicit endorsement of the defensive posture of FARMS and others (can you hear them rejoicing?), but a blanket condemnation of anyone who would approach Mormonism as a false religion that condemns its followers with a false God, a false Christ, and a false gospel. 
     For the sake of context and for those who have not been following the discussion, Richard Mouw, President of Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California (yes, I graduated from Fuller in 1989 with an M.A. in Theology) was one of those who spoke in the Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City recently.  His comments were brief, but have set off a firestorm of response simply because he chose to follow the path laid out by Mosser and Owen: make friends with the Mormon leadership by shooting in the head all those who have ministered to Mormons for years before you.  It is evidently a successful strategy.  Here is the key section of his comments:

On a personal level, over the past half-dozen years I have been a member of a small group of evangelical scholars who have been engaged in lengthy closed-door discussions about spiritual and theological matters with a small group of our LDS counterparts. We have not been afraid to argue strenuously with each other, but our arguments have been conducted in a sincere desire genuinely to understand each other-and in the process we have formed some deep bonds of friendship.  I know that I have learned much in this continuing dialogue, and I am now convinced that we evangelicals have often seriously misrepresented the beliefs and practices of the Mormon community. Indeed, let me state it bluntly to the LDS folks here this evening: we have sinned against you. The God of the Scriptures makes it clear that it is a terrible thing to bear false witness against our neighbors, and we have been guilty of that sort of transgression in things we have said about you. We have told you what you believe without making a sincere effort first of all to ask you what you believe. We have made much of the need to provide you with a strong defense of traditional Christian convictions, regularly quoting the Apostle Peter's mandate that we present to people like you a reasoned account of the hope that lies with in us-but we have not been careful to follow the same Apostle's counsel that immediately follows that mandate, when he tells us that we must always make our case with "gentleness and reverence" toward those with whom we are speaking. Indeed, we have even on occasion demonized  you, weaving conspiracy theories about what the LDS community is "really" trying to accomplish in the world. And even at our best, we have-and this is true of both of our communities-we have talked past each other, setting forth oversimplified and distorted accounts of what the other group believes.

Now, of course, the question is, who is the "we" for whom Mouw assumes to speak?  It surely is not me, nor fine folks like Jerald and Sandra Tanner, or Bill McKeever.  So who is it?  Well, there surely have been those who have weaved conspiracy theories into their books.  I have been openly and consistently critical of the excesses found in such books as God Makers II.  I have criticized the sensationalism of many works produced on the subject of Mormonism, and have refused to engage in such behavior in the writing and publishing of two books on the subject, and in public debates with LDS apologists.  But it seems clear that Mouw has fallen into the same trap that ensnared Dr. Blomberg not so long ago: that of thinking that LDS scholars at BYU define Mormonism.  And because of this very narrow exposure to a very narrow spectrum of LDS belief, Mouw has denounced many who have a thousand times his experience and knowledge of Mormonism as having dishonestly misrepresented the Mormon people.  Excuse us, please, if we point out that it is Dr. Mouw who owes the apologies here.
     Nowhere does this come out more clearly than in a response Mouw has written in his own defense given the furor over his comments in the Tabernacle.  Here we find a situation where, if LDS apologists are honest and open and above board, they will have to confess that it is Mouw who is ignorant of LDS theology and who is, in fact, operating on a very narrow, non-mainline foundation.  Here we see, clearly, the result of ignoring the prophets and apostles and going on the basis of BYU professors as the definitive voice of Mormonism (a mistake being made by a number involved in the Johnson/Millet group).  [N.B.: there is no question that the views of BYU and other scholars are important in looking ahead to developments in LDS theology: but BYU professors are not General Authorities, and it is simply ridiculous to ignore Salt Lake's own assertions regarding what is, and what is not, authoritative so as to pick and choose what you will and will not allow to be "orthodox" Mormonism].  In trying to give examples of how evangelicals have "lied" about Mormons, he cites over-simplification in Walter Martin's writings, and then specifically names Dave Hunt as well.  And then he writes,

On a more technical point, I have received emails in the past few days where evangelicals have said that Mormonism teaches that God was once a human being like us, and we can become gods just like God now is. Mormon leaders have specifically stated that such a teaching, while stated by past leaders, is something they don't understand and has no functioning place in present day Mormon doctrine. Bob Millet has made the same point to many of us, and Stephen Robinson insisted, in the book he co-authored with Craig Blomberg, that this is not an official Mormon teaching, even though it can be found in non-canonical Mormon writings. The Ostlings, in their book on Mormonism, reported that Mormon leaders insist that the idea that God is omnipotent, omniscience-and much unlike what we are or could ever be-is more accurate than the simple notion that we are all becoming gods like God the Father is. A number of LDS writers have been formulating the "becoming God" theme in terms that are common in Eastern Orthodoxy: that "we shall be like Him" in the sense of I John, but that we will never be Him.

Are there Mormons who today are embarrassed by the unified, consistent teaching of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and the LDS leadership all the way through Bruce R. McConkie on the topic of God's status as an exalted man?  Yes, there are.  Is there the slightest question that it is official LDS theology that God was once a human being like us, and that we can become gods just like God now is?  Most assuredly not.  Mouw seems to believe Stephen Robinson and Bob Millet are the new Academic Prophets of Mormonism.  I am sure Richard Mouw has been far too busy over the years to talk to literally thousands of believing LDS all over the Southwestern United States.  But if he had done so, he would be in a far better position to speak to these issues.  His very limited exposure has led him into clear and easily documented error.
     I provided 76 pages of original source documentation on the LDS doctrine of God in my 1997 work, Is the Mormon My Brother?  Unlike Dr. Mouw, I took the time to order the material in light of the official teachings of the LDS Church regarding their own view of authority, Scripture, and revelation (for some reason, BYU did not appear as an organ of revelation in their own writings).  It is one of the most amazing displays of ignorance of primary sources I've seen for Dr. Mouw to make the claim that the "eternal law of progression," the concept that man is the same species as God (those are the words of Stephen Robinson in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism, 2:548-550), the idea of progression and advancement, "has no functioning place in present day Mormon doctrine."  Such a statement should, if they would be willing to speak the truth, elicit a torrent of counter-documentation from LDS themselves, for their writings are filled with the centrality of this belief, not just historically, but today as well.  Mouw does not understand the Temple, its rituals and its purpose.  His knowledge is based solely upon his interaction with individual Mormons who represent the bleeding edge of Mormonism's scholarship, a group of people intent upon seeing Mormonism accepted in the "mainstream," and as such, not currently representative of the vast majority of believing, practicing, temple-going Latter-day Saints.  Some believe that they represent the future of Mormonism.  Maybe so.  We, like the god of the Open Theists, cannot say.  But that is hardly relevant to Mouw's denunciation of the many ministries and ministers who have given so much over the years to present the gospel to the LDS people, for we cannot be held accountable for representing a Mormonism that does not yet exist!  Mouw claimed that "we" have lied about the Mormons, and the example he provides in reality demonstrates that it is he, not "we," who is misrepresenting the official teachings of the LDS Church, and that based upon his conclusion that BYU professors, not the General Authorities of the LDS Church past and present, define Mormonism.
     From 1992 to 2001 the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints printed and published under the copyright of the Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a Student Manual titled Achieving a Celestial Marriage.  This manual was used to introduce LDS to the concept of celestial marriage, its importance, and indeed, its centrality, to the LDS concept of a godly and proper life.  It is beyond the realm of possibility that either Robinson or Millet could be ignorant of its existence.  Surely, a student manual produced by the LDS leadership for the teachings of its own members regarding the central act of celestial marriage qualifies as having a "functioning place in present day Mormon doctrine" (even if some at BYU don't think so).  And what do we read in this manual?  The beginning of the work says it all:

God was once a man who, by obedience, advanced to his present state of perfection; through obedience and celestial marriage we may progress to the point where we become like God.

Proclaiming the divine potential within man, John Taylor once wrote, “Knowest thou not that thou art a spark of Deity, struck from the fire of His eternal blaze, and brought forth in the midst of everlasting burnings.” (The Mormon, 29 Aug. 1857).  Elder B.H. Roberts stated, “Man has descended from God; in fact, he is the same race as the Gods.  His descent has not been from a lower form of life, but from the Highest Form of Life; in other words, man is, in the most literal sense, a Child of God.  This is not only true of the spirit of man, but of his body also.”  (Course of Study for Priests, 1910, p. 35).  Can you see the implications of these two statements as they relate to you and to your eternal destiny?  Elder James E. Talmage did.  He declared, “…in his mortal condition man is God in embryo.  However….any individual now a mortal being may attain the rank and sanctity of godship….” (Articles of Faith, p. 529).  How is this possible?  What course of action will bring this potential to fruition?  As you study this lesson, look for the answers to these questions.

POINTS TO PONDER

God Became God by Obedience to Law

It was late afternoon as we sat in my office, but I felt the time had been well spent.  He sat silently now, obviously contemplating the ramifications of the things we had been discussing.  We had talked of God, of how he had become God, and of what that meant in terms of our own exaltation.  Finally he spoke.

"What is this law of exaltation of which you keep speaking?"

"Well, it involves the whole of the gospel law.  Everything required of us by God is associated with this law, but the major crowning point of the law which man must obey is eternal marriage. Therein lies the keys of eternal life, or, as the Doctrine and Covenants puts it, 'eternal lives.'  In other words, an eternal increase of posterity."

"Then what you're saying is that God became God by obedience to the gospel program, which culminates in eternal marriage."

Through Obedience to Law We Can Become Like Our Father in Heaven

"Yes. Do you realize the implications of this doctrine as far as you are concerned?"

"I think so.  If God became God by obedience to all of the gospel law with the crowning point being the celestial law of marriage, then that's the only way I can become a god."

"Right.  And it is the law that assists us in reaching that potential.  It tells us what we must do to gain the ultimate freedom.  In fact, it is by obedience to law that we have progressed to our present position."

"You mean we have always been governed by law?"

"Always.  You are an eternal being.  You were never created and you cannot be destroyed, but you can advance, progress, and develop by obedience.

"Then Hamlet's question 'to be or not to be?' is not the question?”

"Right, not in the ultimate sense, at least.  Order means law, and that law is the law of the celestial kingdom.  Any  who come unto that kingdom must obey that law.  (See D&C 88:24-29.)"

"But I thought godhood meant freedom.  If I have to do things to become God, am I really free?"

"You have got it wrong.  It was the Savior who said, 'If ye continue in my word,' that is, obey the law, 'ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' (John 8:31,32.)  So by obedience to law, we learn truths by which we become free -- but not free from the law.  Can you see that?"

"I think so.  I can be a god only if I act like God."

"Exactly right.  Can you imagine the state of the universe if imperfect gods were allowed to spawn their imperfections throughout space, if beings who did not have law under their subjection were free to create worlds?"

"I guess that would be pretty disastrous.  But I'm not sure I see why celestial marriage becomes the crowning apex of this progression.  Marriage doesn't seem directly related to the creation of the universes."

"Oh, but don't be limited by your mortal perspective.  God himself has declared his own reasons for existing.  Remember, he said, 'For this is my work and my glory....' "

"I see his purpose is 'to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.' " (Moses 1:39).

"Which involves giving birth to spirit children and setting them on the road to exaltation.  And if that is to be  done, you must have an exalted man and..."

"An exalted woman."

"Exactly, an exalted man and woman who have been joined together in an eternal marriage.  If this man and woman were obedient to all gospel laws except celestial marriage, what would be the result?"

"They still could not be gods.  Now I understand.  Celestial marriage is the crowning ordinance of the gospel."

"Right," I said with a smile.  "And with that comment I think we can end the discussion."

One hardly need expand upon such statements, but some others in the work include:

The gospel of Jesus Christ teaches that man is an eternal being, made in the image and likeness of God. It also holds that man is a literal child of God and has the potential, if faithful to divine laws and ordinances, of becoming like his heavenly parent. These truths are generally well understood by Latter-day Saints....Less well understood, however, is the fact that God is an exalted man who once lived on an earth and underwent experiences of mortality. The Prophet Joseph Smith refers to this as “the great secret.” (Times and Seasons 5:613 [15 Aug. 1844]. See also Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345.) The progression of our Father in heaven to godhood, or exaltation, was strictly in accordance with eternal principles, “for he who is not able to abide the law of a celestial kingdom cannot abide a celestial glory.” (D&C 88:22.)...By definition, exaltation includes the ability to procreate the family unit throughout eternity. This our Father in heaven has power to do. His marriage partner is our mother in heaven. We are their spirit children, born to them in the bonds of celestial marriage.
     The Lord would have all his children attain exaltation, but men must have their agency. Only those who subscribe by ordinance and by faithful adherence to covenant are worthy of “a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.” (D&C 132:19.)

This section is followed by one titled “God was once a mortal man,” and again, we find the LDS Church falling back, not upon her Scriptures to teach her people, but the King Follett Funeral Discourse. Subtitles include “He Lived on an Earth Like Our Own” and “He Experienced Conditions Similar to Our Own and Advanced Step by Step.”  This is followed by another section, “God is Now an Exalted Man with Powers of Eternal Increase,” with a subtitle, “Our Father in Heaven Lives in an Exalted Marriage Relationship.”  Under this section Melvin J. Ballard is quoted:

No matter to what heights God has attained or may attain, he does not stand alone: for side by side with him, in all her glory, a glory like unto his, stands a companion, the Mother of his children. For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother." (Melvin J. Ballard, as quoted in Bryant S. Hinckley, Sermons and Missionary Services of Melvin J. Ballard, pp. 205-6.)

Now, again, it is not necessary, for those who have studied the writings of the LDS leadership, to belabor the point.  Those who know Mormonism know how vitally central to LDS theology the entire concept of progression and exaltation is.  Just one other quote, this time from one of the sources Mouw relied upon, Stephen Robinson, from the above cited article in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism:

The Father, Elohim, is called the Father because he is the literal father of the spirits of mortals (Heb. 12:9). This paternity is not allegorical. All individual human spirits were begotten (not created from nothing or made) by the Father in a premortal state, where they lived and were nurtured by Heavenly Parents. These spirit children of the Father come to earth to receive mortal bodies; there is a literal family relationship among humankind. Joseph Smith taught, “If men do not comprehend the character of God, they do not comprehend themselves” (TPJS, p. 343). Gods and humans represent a single divine lineage, the same species of being, although they and he are at different stages of progress. This doctrine is stated concisely in a well-known couplet by President Lorenzo Snow: “As man now is, God once was: as God now is, man may be” (see Godhood). . . . The important points of the doctrine for Latter-day Saints are that Gods and humans are the same species of being, but at different stages of development in a divine continuum, and that the heavenly Father and Mother are the heavenly pattern, model, and example of what mortals can become through obedience to the gospel (see Mother in Heaven).

     Finally, Mouw notes the use of terms like "omniscient" and "omnipresent" in the writings of LDS scholars today.  Once again, even a few meetings with the faithful of Mormonism would have helped him to understand that Mormons use our terminology without adopting our meaning.  When a Mormon speaks of "eternal lives" they are speaking of God's power of procreation---a far cry from what an evangelical means when we speak of "eternal life."  And the careful reader of the above citation from Achieving a Celestial Marriage will note the presence of the term "universes," rather than our normal "universe."  When it comes to omniscience, possibly Stephen Robinson could have explained to Mouw his use of the term in The Encyclopedia of Mormonism, where, after stating that "Latter-day Saints perceive the Father as an exalted Man in the most literal, anthropomorphic terms" (2:548) he wrote, "Latter-day Saints also attribute omnipotence and omniscience to the Father.  He knows all things relative to the universe in which mortals live and is himself the source and possessor of all true power manifest in it.  This is part of what it means to be exalted, and this is why human beings may safely put their faith and trust in God the Father, an exalted being" (2:549).  Does Mouw really wish to suggest that omniscience of a limited category (this particular universe over which Elohim rules, but not all universes where the multitude of previously exalted LDS gods rule) is parallel to Christian belief in omniscience? 
     Mouw's statements are unscholarly because, ironically, they represent the view of so much of the "academy" today.  The irony is that many in academia today consider apologetics beneath them.  They view it as an unscholarly arena that anyone can master in a brief period of time.  What is there really to know about Mormonism anyway?  Who needs to read all those dusty books?  The BoM is hardly worth the time of a true scholar to study!  Read the Ensign?  Stand upon a street corner and dialogue with LDS missionaries?  There are ETS papers to prepare and inter-faith dialogues to promote!  All one must do is have lunch with some colleagues (please note the term!) from BYU and you will be up to speed in no time! So, a methodology that would be dismissed instantly in any other field (personal anecdotes as a foundation for determining the theology of a religion rather than the published statements of the official leadership) is utilized here because, as all true academics know, apologetics does not require work and study over time.  It is not like being a New Testament scholar or something really challenging like that!
     Let's make sure we are very clear on what has taken place here.  A rather liberal evangelical scholar, president of a rather liberal evangelical seminary, has become acquainted with some rather liberal (in the LDS spectrum of things) LDS scholars.  As a result of this interaction, he has joined other evangelicals in speaking in the LDS tabernacle (a truly unusual opportunity, to be sure).  Despite having little or no first hand knowledge of LDS theology proper, let alone knowledge gained from the practical interaction that comes with doing apologetics on a regular basis over time, Dr. Mouw has chosen to denigrate, based upon his own ignorance of the issue, all of those who have sacrificed and ministered in the preceding years and decades to seek to bring the gospel to that very same city and to the very audience to whom he was speaking.  In doing so, he did inestimable damage, but primarily to those Mormons who will not hear a clarion call to believe because those who would have been used to deliver it are so discouraged they do not make the effort any longer, or, because those LDS involved in seeking to hinder the proclamation of the gospel to the Mormons use his comments (as they have used so many evangelicals over the past few years, either willingly or deceptively) to create another barrier to the truth. 
     Now, I need to mention at this point that many of the evangelicals who have aided the Mormons in blunting the call to repentance and faith insist that the beliefs of the bleeding edge of liberal Mormon scholarship are, in fact, the future of Mormonism, and that given the changes we have seen in emphasis and approach in the past three decades or so, we should no longer see the General Authorities as defining Mormonism, but the left wing of BYU.  We surely have seen major changes in Mormonism's marketing of itself over the past decades.  Its growth has slowed, and many see some real weakness in a closer look at the numbers.  The missionary approach has changed as well.  Mormonism's core is extremely susceptible to post-modernism and we may well be seeing the result.  We do not know where Mormonism is going to end up in thirty or forty years.  All of these things are quite true, but they also have precious little to do with the current situation in regard to Mouw's statements.  He "apologized" for what has taken place in the past.  He gave as an example the accurate, proper presentation of the past and current LDS doctrine of God, derived from LDS sources.  If Mormonism someday adopts a different view of God (to its epistemological destruction), then it will be necessary to accurately represent that new view.  But this has not yet happened.  So, in the past, it has not been Richard Mouw who has accurately represented LDS beliefs, but myself and the Tanners and Bill McKeever and everyone else who has labored for decades to bring the message of Christ to the Mormons.  We cannot be held accountable to represent a Mormonism that does not yet exist: we can only speak to what is officially taught now, and that by those who are the representatives of their religion (not by our choosing, but by the choice of the LDS Church itself).  I will thank Dr. Mouw to apologize to the LDS people for himself, not for those of us who have taken the time to actually study the writings of the leaders of the LDS faith, understand their beliefs, and accurately represent them.  We have done so because you cannot proclaim the true God and the true Christ and the true gospel over against Mormonism's falsehoods while lacking truth in your understanding and representation of their beliefs. 
     The past number of years have been very hard on the LDS people.  Radical, wild-eyed KJV Only "street preachers" have spewed hatred at them, ending all meaningful witness at the Conference.  Reputation seeking evangelicals have handed their souls to FARMS and done inestimable damage as a result.  And now, even as the reports of Ravi Zacharias' comments have been mainly positive, he has to be preceded and followed by this kind of outlandish commentary.  I truly pray God will place upon the hearts of His people to share the life-giving message of the true God with the LDS people in the regular pathways of life, for it seems that He has closed many of the former means of reaching them in our day.

More on Mouw

     Unless you have been monitoring a wide variety of sources, you might think my response to, and refutation of, Fuller Seminary President Richard Mouw’s comments in the Tabernacle in Salt Lake City were harsh.  In comparison to the rhetoric of some, I’m a cupcake.  But, thankfully, by avoiding the extraneous arm-waving and calls for jihads I hope that I have touched upon the real issue with far more focus and force than those who have chosen the “nuclear” alternative. 

     Mouw continues to defend his statements.  Today another e-mail began circulating.  I cite three numbered points:

(1) I have talked to enough Mormon missionaries at my front door to know that there is a significant gap between what most of them say--and have been taught--and what we are hearing from our LDS scholar friends. But there is still a discernible change. Many of them watch Christian television and have a kind of mix of views--some very far removed from biblical teaching and others fairly close. Indeed one young missionary told me that the person whose message he most admires is Billy Graham. On the level  of LDS scholarship, we have talked at length with people we have come to know very well and we are all convinced--and not just me but folks with impeccable evangelical credentials--that our Mormon friends are aware of the popular teachings and are determined to influence things in the direction of salvation by grace alone.

Dr. Mouw, what you hear from a few LDS missionaries reflects what they have been taught by the official leadership of the LDS Church.  Is anyone else as amazed as I am at the attitude of this scholar who looks at the chosen, ordained leadership of an entire religion as being utterly irrelevant to the definition of the beliefs of that religion?  Would Mouw accept someone defining his own Reformed heritage on the basis of a liberal professor at a university somewhere without any reference to such things as the Heidelberg Confession?  Maybe he would, but I would surely hope not.  Has the range of beliefs expressed within the pale of Mormonism expanded over the past number of decades?  It surely has, from top to bottom.  But upon what principle are we to ignore the very leadership of the church and by some academic divine fiat proclaim progressive BYU scholars the new leaders of Mormonism?  I do recall getting in trouble years ago on a particular apologetics discussion list for tangling with one of the Mosser/Owen duo who made it quite clear that they viewed the General Authorities of the LDS Church as dinosaurs and that BYU scholars spoke for Mormonism.  As I have said often, that day may come: but Mouw faulted those of us who preceded him in the field of LDS evangelism for misrepresenting Mormonism, and upon what basis?  We dared to accurately represent the official views of the church rather than peer into our crystal balls and respond to a not-yet-existent Mormonism. 

     Now, Mouw mentions a Mormon missionary that admires Billy Graham.  That is indeed a new thing, in many ways.  But again, upon what logical basis do we grant to a 19 year old missionary the definitional authority of theological teaching that is clearly claimed by the General Authorities of the Mormon Church and yet denied them by Mouw and his colleagues? 

     We are hearing much about salvation by grace here.  I wish I could become greatly excited, but I cannot.  The reason?  I’ve spent untold hours of time in conversation with LDS people (far more than Richard Mouw, that is for certain), and I know one thing that has been (as far as I can see) completely lost in the current discussions I am observing: you cannot meaningfully believe in salvation by grace through faith alone in Jesus Christ when you believe in a plurality of gods, that Jesus is your spirit brother, and that the ultimate goal of salvation is exaltation to godhood.  And once again we see the importance of believing all that God has said, including those divine revelations that are so exceedingly unpopular today regarding God’s sovereignty and man’s deadness in sin: sola gratia and sola fide have specific content historically and biblically.  How can you try to “add” sola gratia to the completely flawed foundation of Mormonism?  Can an exalted man from another planet who lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob be the proper object of saving faith?  Can a Hindu believe in sola gratia?  Those seeking to expand upon the Robinson-inspired recognition that Paul’s gospel is light years removed from Joseph Smith’s have missed this vital point: sola gratia is defined by the source of grace, the singular, unique, eternal, unchanging Creator of all things.  And Mormonism has no such unique Creator upon which to found grace.  It is like they are trying to build the attic before laying the foundation.  It just doesn’t work.

(2) What no one seems to want to pay attention to is that I did say in my remarks that we continue to have serious differences, including matters that have "eternal consequences." I do believe that. But I am also convinced that things are moving--on the leadership level--in a direction in which we can hope that in the not too distant future Mormons will regularly hear from their own leaders that salvation cannot be earned--not even in part--by good works, but only by accepting the gift of sovereign grace that has been made possible through the shed blood of Christ on Calvary. I am more concerned that this core Gospel message be proclaimed within the LDS than that there be a wholesale repudiation of all Mormon distinctives. I praise the Lord for those individuals who have met the Jesus that we evangelicals proclaim and have left Mormonism. But I also deeply desire that those who continue in the LDS will hear the basic  claims of the Gospel proclaimed within that community.

I surely did not miss Mouw’s statement that we continue to have serious differences.  I simply don’t think that observing that the sun rises in the East is worth noting.  It is the fact that the observation is self-evident that renders it rather irrelevant.  I would love to hear LDS leaders teaching that salvation is by grace alone in Christ alone, but I also realize that this would entail the identification of the central teachings of every single LDS leader for the first one hundred and fifty years of LDS history as a false prophet and false teacher.  It would involve the complete renunciation of the authority of every prophet down to Benson, and the denunciation of every General Authority through McConkie.  It would involve the rejection of the LDS Scriptures (has Mouw ever pondered Moroni 10:32?) as a whole as well.  It would require, in essence, the end of Mormonism and the creation of an entirely new faith in its place.  And since I have, in fact, driven through southern and central Utah, I can say without fear of contradiction that just a few of those folks would not take kindly to such a suggested overhaul of the entirety of their religion. 

     Mouw states, “I am more concerned that this core Gospel message be proclaimed within the LDS than that there be a wholesale repudiation of all Mormon distinctives.”  Can you have a “core Gospel message” inside a polytheistic religion?  Can you have a stripped down, just barely recognizable “core” when you have a God other than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?  Can the spirit brother of Lucifer’s blood atone for sin?  When Mouw speaks of “Mormon distinctives” what is he talking about?  The priesthood structure?  Temple ceremonies?  Is he aware of the relationship of such “distinctives” to the entire concept of godhood and exaltation?  I do not know, but I honestly do not get the feeling that he does.  Does Mouw believe it better to have “slightly less heretical Mormons” as if you can move them far enough down the spectrum to get them “saved” while leaving them in abject error?  Where is the line to be drawn?

     The muddled nature of this kind of approach comes out clearly in these sentences: “I praise the Lord for those individuals who have met the Jesus that we evangelicals proclaim and have left Mormonism. But I also deeply desire that those who continue in the LDS will hear the basic  claims of the Gospel proclaimed within that community.”  Is the “Jesus that we evangelicals proclaim” the real and only Christ?  If so, don’t the Mormons who remain LDS need to meet the same one?  Does Mouw think a Christ who has not eternally been God is still “enough” to save?  How can you hear the “basic claims of the Gospel proclaimed” when you have the wrong God, the wrong Christ, and the wrong goal (exaltation)?  Would it not require the radical transformation noted above for that “basic core” to be proclaimed in Mormonism?

(3) I think the King Follett Discourse is horrible. It is another Gospel. But it is simply a fact that it--along with the "What man once was..." saying--are not canonical, and this means that these teachings are much easier for Mormons to eventually repudiate. I am committed to working toward that goal.

I encourage Mormons to repudiate that all the time.  But the problem is, you cease to be Mormon when you do so.  Those statements may not be in the strict canon of Mormonism, but statements that have been taught from the pulpit in the Tabernacle, repeatedly quoted in the teaching literature of the LDS Church, and that are clearly part and parcel of the endowment ceremony and the central core of theology of the LDS Church, cannot be removed without changing the religion itself anymore than you can remove the Nicene Symbol and say, “Voila, Christianity!”  Perhaps Dr. Mouw should consult Stephen Robinson, who, even while presenting a viewpoint on authoritative statements very different than many old-style LDS, said this:

Again, don’t misunderstand me; there can be no doubt that the doctrine of deification is firmly and officially asserted by the LDS Church.  I am only trying to sort out what is canonical from what is homiletical for the benefit of non-LDS readers, and also to show that most of the bizarre claims made on this topic by anticultists misrepresent speculation and homily as official pronouncements. 

     To the scriptural passages above I would add Lorenzo Snow’s epigram and Joseph Smith’s statement in the funeral address for King Follett that God is an exalted man.  Neither statement is scriptural or canonized in the technical sense, and neither has been explained or elucidated to the church in any official manner, but they are so widely accepted by Latter-day Saints that this technical point has become moot.  Each of these quasi-official statements asserts flatly that there was once a time before the beginning of our creation when God was human, just as there will be a time after the final resurrection and judgment when exalted humans will be gods (How Wide the Divide? pp. 85-86).

I disagree with Robinson that Smith’s statement has not been explained or elucidated in an official manner: it surely has in numerous works published under the copyright of the Corporation of the First Presidency, and with more than sufficient regularity to establish a clear interpretation that is represented in the LDS endowment ceremonies.  But in any case, even Robinson is forced to admit the official status of the KF discourse on a doctrinal level.

     So, once again, the question comes back to Dr. Mouw: why did you apologize in behalf of those of us who have accurately represented Mormonism for years before you became involved in the field? 


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